{"id":84,"date":"2007-05-17T07:57:05","date_gmt":"2007-05-17T14:57:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/chriswisniaarts.com\/blog\/?p=84"},"modified":"2010-04-26T11:56:28","modified_gmt":"2010-04-26T17:56:28","slug":"80-a-hard-earned-pin-up","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/chriswisniaarts.com\/blog\/archives\/84","title":{"rendered":"80. A HARD-EARNED PIN-UP"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Written right after Wondercon 2006:<\/p>\n<p>I first propositioned Mr. Heath for a pin-up at Wondercon, April 25th 2003.<font>  <\/font>I was new at asking, and hadn&#8217;t streamlined my technique yet.<font>  <\/font>I also hadn&#8217;t yet built up such an impressive list of cool artists, and I only had a few stories inked by Dick Ayers to share.<font>  <\/font>I timidly said, &#8220;I&#8217;d be interested<font><font> <\/font><\/font>in commissioning you for a pin-up, &#8221; and he made some mumbling insinuation about<font><font> <\/font><\/font>how busy he is and who knows how many years he&#8217;s got left, and he doesn&#8217;t even know if he&#8217;ll be alive long enough to finish the ones he&#8217;s committed to.<font>  <\/font>All that said, he gave<font><font> <\/font><\/font>me a card with his address and phone number, at which point I told him it would be for a giant<font><font> <\/font><\/font>monster pin-up, and showed him the stories. <font> <\/font>He hadn&#8217;t smiled yet during our entire exchange, but now that he heard and saw the subject matter, he literally rolled his eyes.<font>  <\/font>But he knew it was too late for him.<font>  <\/font>He had doomed himself by giving out his contact info before asking the subject matter.<font><font> <\/font><\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">I had been contacting all the other artists up to that point by email, which felt much easier, more comfortable, and less intrusive.<font> I was a little reticent about bugging him by phone, and I didn&#8217;t get the impression he particularly wanted to do this at all, so that made it tougher to make the call too. Add to that, I&#8217;m always pacing myself asking artists for pin-ups, because I can only afford so many at a time.<br \/>\n<\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Summer&#8217;s San Diego 2003 rolls around, and I haven&#8217;t called him yet.<font>  <\/font>I find him and reintroduce myself, and remind him of our meeting a few months before, who I am and what I&#8217;m looking for.<font>  <\/font>I ask about his schedule, and he tells me I should call him to set something up right away, because DC was wanting him to do a book, and that would keep him pretty busy.<font><br \/>\n<\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Of course this time, I contacted him immediately like he asked, after getting home from San Diego.<font>  <\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><font> <\/font>He didn&#8217;t sound particularly excited I had called.<font>  <\/font>I re-explained my project, and he listened as if he didn&#8217;t remember our talking at the previous conventions, and was hearing it all for the first time.<font>  <\/font>He said it would help if I send him a letter with a<font><font> <\/font><\/font>sketch of what I&#8217;d like.<font>  <\/font>Now he gave me his address.<font>  <\/font>So I sent him a<font><font> letter dated 7\/23\/03, with ideas and a few <\/font><\/font>sketches for possibilities.<font>  <\/font>I wanted it to be fun for him, and I wanted to give him plenty of options to find a subject he might enjoy.<font>  <\/font>My contact info was in the letter, but I didn&#8217;t hear from him.<font>  <\/font>I gave it a month or two, to make sure he received the letter, and had time to look it over and think about it.<font>  <\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">I called him again, and once again, I explained who I was and what I was calling about, and once again, he listened as if this was all new to him.<font>  <\/font>I asked if he received my letter, and had a chance to flip through it. He vaguely says he thinks he remembered it. I go into greater detail with what exactly I had sent him. Finally, he said, &#8220;Yeah, I&#8217;ve got that letter<font><font> <\/font><\/font>here somewhere.&#8221;<font>  <\/font>He fumbled around a little, for quite some time.<font>  <\/font>I could hear papers being riffled through.<font>  <\/font>While he searched, he said how things get piled up on his desk.<font>  <\/font>Finally he said, &#8220;Oh yeah, here it is.&#8221;<font>  <\/font>He was quiet for another moment, I assume while he looked over the letter and tried to refresh his memory what it was all about.<font>  <\/font>Then he said, &#8220;I&#8217;m pretty busy right now.<font>  <\/font>Call me in a month.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">So I do, and we go through the same process of him seeming not to remember me, and my explaining the project I have in mind.<font>  <\/font>He says he still busy, and to call him in a few months.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Now, on this next call, after months of going through all the same introductions and reminders of who I am and what I want, he suddenly says, &#8220;Yeah, I never really cared for those monster comics.<font>  <\/font>They were really popular, to have the armies go back in time and fight dinosaurs or whatever, but I always thought they were terrible.<font>  <\/font>I never enjoyed doing them.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">So I explain, look, you can draw whatever you like.<font>  <\/font>Draw what you love.<font>  <\/font>Draw a tank.<font>  <\/font>Draw a plane.<font>  <\/font>And then just include some hint of a monster.<font>  <\/font>For example, a gigantic hand reaching down.<font>  <\/font>Or a foot stomping down.<font>  <\/font>Or a shadow of a monster falling over the tank.<font>  <\/font>Or an eye peeking through a hole in a wall.<font>  <\/font>Or a creature peeking around rubble.<font>  <\/font>Other artists have done this kind of thing.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">So he ask, &#8220;Other artists do just hints like that?&#8221;  Yes.  Well could I send him some samples of what<font><font> <\/font><\/font>other artists have done? I&#8217;m thinking, Jesus Christ, how long is this dance going to play?! So I put another package together for him, with copies of other artists&#8217; pin-ups.<font>  <\/font>I send that with my contact info, give him some time, and again don&#8217;t hear back from him.<font>  <\/font><\/p>\n<p>I call again.<font>  <\/font>I explain the project again.<font>  <\/font>To my amazement and out of the blue, he suddenly gives me a price that he would charge me.<font><font><font>  <\/font><\/font><\/font>I&#8217;m shocked.<font>  <\/font>This means, after months of what seemed like pretty hard work wearing him down, I can now send him a check, and he&#8217;s ready and willing, at last, to take my money and do a pin-up for me.<font>  <\/font>I&#8217;ve finally worn him out and gotten him to commit.<font>  <\/font>I tell him I&#8217;ll send him a check immediately, and I tack on twenty extra dollars for shipping, which he didn&#8217;t ask for.<font>  <\/font>The check was dated October 18, 2003.<font>  <\/font>I include a note with the check asking him to give me an idea when the pin-up will be finished, and letting him know there&#8217;s no hurry.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">I wait awhile, because I don&#8217;t want to crowd artists.<font>  <\/font>But now it&#8217;s into December, and the check hasn&#8217;t cleared.<font>  <\/font>I once again call and explain who I am and what the project is, and he once again gives the impression he&#8217;s hearing it all for the first time.<font>  <\/font>He says he doesn&#8217;t cash checks until a job is finished, and I shouldn&#8217;t have sent a check so early.<font>  <\/font>As to when he&#8217;ll get to the project, he says he has to send out Christmas cards or something, and he&#8217;s going to be busy for a month.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Come January, he tells me he&#8217;s busy for another month, because he has to get his taxes together.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Come February, he say&#8217;s he&#8217;s busy for three months, because he needs to put together some new, nude prints of his girlfriend to have ready, I assume, for Wondercon.<font>  <\/font>So<font><font> <\/font><\/font>this &#8220;call me in a month&#8221; variation has gone on for a year now, and I see him at 2004&#8217;s Wondercon, and presumably his Christmas cards went out okay and he got his taxes squared, and there are finished nude prints of his girlfriend at his table.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">I remind him I&#8217;ve been bugging him for a year.<font>  <\/font>He says to just keep calling.<font>  <\/font>So I call again.<font>  <\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Right at this time, I&#8217;m getting ready to release my first comic, Tabloia #572.<font>  <\/font>I&#8217;m just sending an advertisement\/poster to the printer to have sent to shops.<font>  <\/font>Since we had discussed the price and my usual terms (I&#8217;d like to keep the piece, I&#8217;d like to advertise the pin-up is included in my book, I&#8217;d like the payment to be one-time), and since I&#8217;ve sent him a check, I include his name in this ad, and list him at my website as a pin-up contributor.<font>  <\/font>The ad is shipped and visible around May 2004.<\/p>\n<p><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--><!--[endif]--><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Now, on the phone, he has a &#8220;breaking the bad news&#8221; tone to his voice. DC just hired him to do four prestige-sized (48-page?) comics written by Howard Chaykin, and every time I call he&#8217;s busy and behind schedule with that, and he can&#8217;t even guess when it will be finished or when he&#8217;ll have time for a commission, but maybe he&#8217;ll be able to squeeze something in, so keep calling.<font>  <\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><!--[if !supportEmptyParas]--><!--[endif]--> After a few calls like this, he finally admits the DC book will most likely keep him too busy for a year or more, and so naturally the check I&#8217;ve sent him expires.<font>  <\/font>He was professional enough not to cash it, and even called me one day at my request to tell me he found the check and voided it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">With all these phone calls, I would occasionally ask how the Chaykin book was going. At one point, he said he has to draw a kid growing up, and it&#8217;s always a challenge to get the proportions right.<font>  <\/font>Because if you make the head too big, it can change the kid&#8217;s age by ten years.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">I continue to see him at conventions,<font><font> <\/font><\/font>and every time I see him, he says how busy he is, and I just naturally begin to assume I&#8217;ll never get a pin-uup from him, and this is just his way of blowing people off.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><font><font>Now I&#8217;m just checking in with him out of habit, not because there&#8217;s any hope of actually getting a pin-up from him. Until San Diego 2005 \u2013 over two years after first asking him for a pin-up<\/font><\/font><font><font>.  Out of nowhere, my hopes are aroused <\/font><\/font><font><font> when he confides to me that he just told someone who<\/font><\/font>&#8216;<font><font>s been bugging him for two and a half years that he has time for their commission.<font>  <\/font>And I tell him, that<\/font><\/font>&#8216;<font><font>s good news for me, because I<\/font><\/font>&#8216;<font><font>ve been bugging you for two years and three months.<\/font><\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">The breakthrough comes Wondercon 2006.<font>  <\/font>I tell him it&#8217;s our three year anniversary since I first started bugging him.<font>  <\/font>He says (I gasp with surprise) he should have time to do a commission now!<font>  <\/font>Then HE actually comes over to MY table, and brings a commission he did for someone in the old EC style, and tells me that&#8217;s the closest he&#8217;s come to doing a giant monster.<font>  <\/font>I introduce him to my wife, Elizabeth.<font>  <\/font>I pop over and buy a couple of his prints.<font>  <\/font>He tells me to call him and we&#8217;ll work out the details for the commission.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">I call him two days after the con and leave a message.<font>  <\/font>He calls me back the next day.<font>  <\/font>I remind him what I have in mind for the pin-up, and check on the price.<font>  <\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Of course there has to be another hitch, because why should something go smoothly trying to get this pin-up?<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">He says he doesn&#8217;t know where the numbers I give him came from, but he thinks he should charge about five to eight times more.<font>  <\/font>I ask if he could work smaller, or do less detail.<font>  <\/font>We agree on a plane in the sky, so that there&#8217;s no background.<font>  <\/font>He ends up charging me slightly less than double the original check I had sent him.<font>  <\/font>Because it&#8217;s more than I had anticipated, I tell him I&#8217;ll have the money together in two months.<br \/>\n<!--[endif]--><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">In a month I get a call from him.<font>  <\/font>It&#8217;s done.<font>  <\/font>I can&#8217;t believe it!<font>  <\/font>I remind him I don&#8217;t have the money yet, but will try and get it earlier than promised.<font>  <\/font>He just says, when he never knows what his schedule will be, he gets the work done whenever he can fit it in.<font> <\/font><br \/>\n<!--[endif]--><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">I had asked at Wondercon if I could pay him then, but he wouldn&#8217;t take my money at that time.<font>  <\/font>He said, at his age, you never know if he takes the money, if he&#8217;ll pass away without finishing the piece.<font>  <\/font>He said what he likes to do is, when he gets the check, drop the piece in the mail on his way to the bank.<font>  <\/font>That way both of us are sure to be taken care of.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">I sent my payment out last week.<font>  <\/font>I can&#8217;t wait to see what he&#8217;s come up with.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Written right after Wondercon 2006: I first propositioned Mr. Heath for a pin-up at Wondercon, April 25th 2003. 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